slow motion

ideas_man69 · Post by **ideas_man69** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:25 pm

hey fellas..

just joined up, this site is great. im into film making / editing etc and there seems to be heaps of hints and ideas all over the place here.

anyway.. just wondering. im a big fan of premiere 6.5 and thats pretty much all i can use... whats the best way of doing a 50% slow motion with smooth motion and no flickering?

i always use the "No Fields" setting, so its not interlaced (as far as i know) but it always seems to flicker and jump.

if only my mini dv would record at 100fps

(i wish)

El Brenty · Post by **El Brenty** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:34 pm

Welcome to the forum!

I to would like to know how to do Slomo effects, but on Pinnacle!

We are talking about slow-motion, not Matrix effects here!

Carnage7p · Post by **Carnage7p** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:18 pm

pinnacle sucks for slow motion. i used to use it but not i switched to premiere. I dont think there is a way to do smooth slow motion for pinnacle.

bretoncrackers · Post by **bretoncrackers** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:00 pm

your best bet would be to slow it to 50% with the no fields setting on, like you said, and to turn on frame blending, and then experiment with the following. I've seen footage where a clip was slowed down and pasted twice, because it was interlaced footage, and then you put them on separate video tracksand put one of the clips a frame ahead of the other. Set the transparency on the clip in front to 50% (or whatever floats your boat and makes things look nice). The clip should be much smoother.

jaredcosta · Post by **jaredcosta** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:28 pm

Carnage7p wrote:pinnacle sucks for slow motion. i used to use it but not i switched to premiere. I dont think there is a way to do smooth slow motion for pinnacle.

thats true pinnacle sucks for slow motion..

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:46 pm

there's a program named "MOtion Perfect". SOme paper mags released the fullversion of it on their cover disks lately. It will morph the frames if you stretch the length of a movie. Trying to stretch it 1600 percent in one step usually fails due to some morphing artefacts. but you can try to stretch it repeatedly, 2*2*2... THe app is also used to add tweening frames in videos with dropped frames.

DEDFX · Post by **DEDFX** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:11 pm

Pinnacle really really sucks for slow motion, thats why I now use Premiere. To make it better for Pinnacle I would walk slowly then when I put it into slow motion it would look more decent.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:40 pm

A note to my "Motion Perfect" suggestion: I just tried to time stretch a movie in a *2*2*2 way. In the end it showed the same morphing artifacts like when I stretched it in only one step. Nevertheless the app may produce very nice slomo results depending on the material.

ALove · Post by **ALove** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:15 pm

If you want, avisynth can bob your footage up to 60fps, and you can insert it at 1/2 speed in your 30p timeline.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:39 pm

There are some camcorders by JVC with built in slow motion support. AFAIK they are capable of recoding at double speed, although only half the screen size. But it's real Slowmotion. JVC Camcorder (GR-D270US) is one of them. They became pretty cheap lately, so it may be an option.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:39 am

Some days ago I used to release a little tool that I use myself that is capable of doing some things many Editors cannot do.

It allows to split the interlaced fileds into 2 progressive frames (well pseudo-progressive) and to add crossfaded tweenframes.
It's a simple commandline driven exe. Nevertheless I think it's the best way to make slomo for free. Rates down to 4 times slower still look very liquid, although the vertical resolution may be only half of the original (due to field splitting). The frames probably should be deinterlaced (after splitting) to hide the artefact of doubled lines.

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XhuntedoverlordX · Post by **XhuntedoverlordX** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:57 am

Okay. I'm sure that all of the stuff you've already suggested is probably easier, but if you want to do it the crappy, can't afford any cool software way, why not break your footage down into individual frames, and then copy each frame once and put them all back in order. This would change the number of frames instead of the rate of the frames, theoritcally making a slow-mo effect. Lemme know if you think it might work.

Firestorm · Post by **Firestorm** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:56 pm

I use AVISynth + VirtualDub

http://neuron2.net/bob.html

Trochaic · Post by **Trochaic** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:36 pm

If you shoot with a high shutter speed then you can get the motion much smoother.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:39 am

Of course, but show me a MiniDV camera that can do high speed shutter. And that is exactly the problem. I guess a good highspeed camera im 16mm will cost more than 50k$.