Daggers

foxwood · Post by **foxwood** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 4:48 pm

I am about to embark on a large dagger fight, does anybody have any ideas or pointers?

2nd_Recon · Post by **2nd_Recon** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:20 pm

Pointer 1: Don't get stabbed
Pointer 2: Have a camera nearby in case you do get stabbed
Pointer 3: Make sure the guy you're fighting couldn't stab you if his life depended on it

foxwood · Post by **foxwood** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 5:47 pm

To late, we've already been stabed, but yep.

fatpony · Post by **fatpony** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:01 pm

practise first using marker pens( red is good )once you can do the scene without getting pen on each other then use the real knives or use martail arts practise rubber knives for all shots except close ups you save on alot of scars this way.

CORPSE GRINDER · Post by **CORPSE GRINDER** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 6:42 pm

make sure you have the whole fight choreographed so you two each know where the other is going to go before he does it.

rehearse, rehearse, rehearse!

rehearse until you hate the scene and get bored of it and want to just leave it out.

that is the key.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:37 am

Considerations:

1.Blunten the knives

2. Consider the aims of the fight. Is it to be realistic or extended Hollywood style. Remember in a real knife fight the aim is one cut to finish the fight.

3. Rehearse and get it fast and flowing. No pauses, stumbles or gaps.

4. Keep all the actions nice and tight

Famous · Post by **Famous** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:29 am

yes i do.
use plastic daggers (from haloween stores) and when it is pushed the retractable blade will look like it is pushing in.

Spyk · Post by **Spyk** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:22 pm

One good tip is if you want to use real daggers (meaning you have nothing else, or someone is insisting the plastic ones look to cheap) then go in slow-mo and speed the tape up later when editing.

foxwood · Post by **foxwood** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:24 pm

wow this was an old thred, looking at the title I was confused as hell, and I made the thred. Wow.

Syras · Post by **Syras** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:05 am

yeh like grant said make sure they're fast - u can ruin a good fight this way (wait till u see my latest movie for an example)

I3lade203 · Post by **I3lade203** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:56 pm

lol funny how an old threadis brought up and people talking about it like its current

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 10:58 pm

well sometimes a new thought or idea will emerge for an old thread

Famous · Post by **Famous** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:42 am

hmmm....I got an idea.
Buy the Retactable Blade Daggers and spray paint them Silver.

Hah!

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:16 am

Famous, you have an act for bringing up old threads, don't you?

For West Side Story, we had a box of look-alike spring combs that we used as the switch blades. As far as we could tell in the pit, they looked 100% real. You can buy them very very cheap in a party/toy store.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:43 am

hell for stage work, as Epsilon has said, it is even easier to mock up weaponry due to the audience not being able to get up close and personal with the whole scene

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:06 am

And if you accidentally stab your buddy, no harm done.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:08 am

especially if fighting with spoons

El Brenty · Post by **El Brenty** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:30 pm

I got some chrome spray paint, I'm very disappointed, it came out more pewter looking than chrome. Be warned if you're spraying plastic knives to make them look real, the results may not be what you're after. Did a great job of transforming a cheap plastic watering can I must admit.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 12:35 pm

dull the blade and point of a real knife if you have to

Themovieman44 · Post by **Themovieman44** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:01 pm

I like what fat pony said up above and choreograph the whole fight with markers then do the real thing

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:18 pm

we use that sometimes in fight training at real speed to see where we have been hit

Themovieman44 · Post by **Themovieman44** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:06 am

yeah or you can always choreograph it and angle the shots to appear as if you are knife fighting and have someother utencil in use. Camera is always your best effect remember that.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:57 am

yeah watch even a B-grade Martial Arts movie and see what angles and shots they use

Themovieman44 · Post by **Themovieman44** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:11 pm

oh yes the japanese imported 70's martial arts films are great for angles and camera tricks.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:37 pm

any chop suey Kung Fu flick or B-Grade Hollywood Martial Arts film is a fine example