whos got HD?

tallman_house_pictures · Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:11 am

anyone here have, or have acsess to hd/editing software?

We mac guys are one step ahead as most modern versions of Final Cut Pro have HD included.
I have acsess to an HD cam.....i wonderwhat the future will have in store for us. In 5 years, will we all be editing in HD?

slimdog55 · Post by **slimdog55** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:23 am

In 5 years, I'll be 19-years-old, and will have access to my bank account. Meaning, I'll be able to buy myself a HDV Camcorder. And in 5 years, the price of HDV camcorder's will be much lower than they are today. So to answer your question, yes, most people will be editing in HD in 5 years. (I can't wait untill I get my HDV camcorder!)

Raptor · Post by **Raptor** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:22 pm

I doubt we'll all be editing HD in 5 years, just not enough delivery methods that will be affordable on the consumer end yet. The standards are incredbly fragmented right now, with Panny and Sony using different HD schemes. HDV also has a way to go to mature since it uses long GOP, and MPeg2 compression - neither of which is incredibly conducive to frame level editing. In 5 years, HD may have increased it's foothold, but just as DV took years to mature and catch on after it's introduction, so too will HDV. SD television isn't going away anytime soon - no matter what the TV manufacturers want us to believe. I would think in 5 years, we'll probably see about 30 - 35% of material shot in HD. Now, that being said, there are some sports network that's shoot all HD, but it's not on a $5k - $6k HDV camera either. HDV will eventually catch on, but in 10 years will still have completely replaced SD encoding systems.

padawanNick · Post by **padawanNick** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:23 pm

5 years is a very loooooong time in at "new technology" speeds. It would not surprise me at all to see HD formats be "typical" by then.
There are several HD delivery options today, computer/WMV, DVHS, HDV. I'm sure more will emerge in the coming months and years to make HD playback trivial.

I haven't invested in HD acquisition yet, but I have been doing some post production work on HD plates from Panavision/Sony HD cameras. One thing to note is that most video editors can handle HD just fine without enhancement. It's HDV that needs special handling due to the compression scheme. My plane-ole' Media Studio Pro without plugin handles professional HD shots just fine.

Have fun.

Meade87 · Post by **Meade87** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:21 am

I certainly hope it won't be the case, because then I will have to see more stupid a** Star Wars fan films and other cr** along those line all over these sites. I hope things don't change too much. lol

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:29 am

My new camera supports HD... I thought I would have received it by now, still waiting.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:10 pm

HD is cool when you plan to play your movie in a cinema, or trough a hi resolution VideoBeamer that works with a pc.
As long as TV screens remain what they are right now (and are since many years), you don't need HDV for Television productions.

But I agree, todays HDV pioneers may be the pros of tomorrow. But it's definitively not "NoBudget". Yesterday I just saw Marco, the Moviemaker from http://www.nccinema.ch at the mainstation, doing some Shots on a complete Set with a megafat Sony HDV whatever Camera. Darn this made me jalous. Then again I had to say to myself "common jalousy is lame". However, he really seems to make a Film for cinema, using HDV. AFAIK he has some sponsors for this movie named "nightcast", probably around a few 100 K$. ( http://www.nightcast.net/ )

There is another good thing about HDV: as soon as HDV Cameras will flood the stores, the prices for HiQ 3CCD Cameras will fall quickly - good for those who ain't got a good 3ccd camera yet.

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:44 pm

I have HD! Muahaha!

windog · Post by **windog** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:03 pm

what is HD?

slimdog55 · Post by **slimdog55** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:05 pm

HD is High Definition. It has much higher resoloution than standard defintition.

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:19 am

in fact it's 2*2 the resolution of the "old" miniDV (that's in PAL: 720*572 (at 50Hz) and in NTSC it's some pixels less and some Hertz more).

So PAL HDV is 1440*1144.

windog · Post by **windog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:39 am

how do you recored HD?

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:54 pm

on MiniDV Tapes, with a special HDV camera. Not a lot of software for it around yet.
http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com/
http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimages/ ... _id=168585

windog · Post by **windog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:01 pm

ok, is really worth getting?

slimdog55 · Post by **slimdog55** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:17 pm

windog wrote:ok, is really worth getting?

If you're that dedicated to film making and have the money, then yes.

windog · Post by **windog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:34 pm

does a canon xl2 have HD capability?

slimdog55 · Post by **slimdog55** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:04 pm

windog wrote:does a canon xl2 have HD capability?

No, it doesn't.

This Link Will help you.

http://www.hdvinfo.net/

jcdenton · Post by **jcdenton** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:00 am

I recently used to read some information about HDV that isn't that fluffy:

It records in 4:2:0, the same as PAL miniDV. Although the resolution is higher, you still got color information only for every fourth pixel of each 2*2 pixel block. This may (again) result in problems with chroma-keying (blocky outline).

It records in MD2 compression format - it was reported that it is not capable of fully store every possible camera motion, so in special situations, like when you rapidly turn the camera, there may be md2-typical compression artifacts. No surprise since it has to use the same bandwidth like miniDV, but tries to store 4 times more information.

Not all HDV Models do offer the same features. EG. there is one that claims to be capable of recording at 50 HZ progressive Fullframes. The probem ist in this mode the md2 compression creates even more artifacts, as described before.

Personally I would still wait some time and read more reviews before I buy this.

Then again, when you downsample this format to PAL or NTSC, you finally get something near a true 4:4:4 information...

bangoker · Post by **bangoker** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:31 am

i dont think we will get TRUE HD for us townsfolk so soon. It may be partial HD like more scan lines or something, but for true 4:4:4 HD TV you would need the machines that robert rodriguez used for Sin City, some sort of linux based ultra highspeed data recorders. Each one of those (expensive) things had like 8 Terabytes (8192 GB) and could only record about 2.5 hours of video. Plus the computer to edit that would have to have tremendous hard drive capacity as well as memory, you would need one of those workstations with like 96 procesors and like 200gb of ram ( http://news.com.com/2100-1003-5327293.html )

Carnage7p · Post by **Carnage7p** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:36 pm

windog wrote:ok, is really worth getting?

if you had to ask what HD is then no it is not worth getting.

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:55 pm

I've been brainstorming about a film idea I've had for a while and I think we could pull it off. But I'd like to have it cinema quality, shooting HD. If I can get myself contracted for this idea, ideally we'd buy one or two of those new Sony CineLine HD cameras. Right now they're around $175k or so. But if this goes through, we would have something really going. Of course, then it would have to be professional. I know some guys that might go for it, and it would be one heck of a production. The movie would probably cost me around half a million dollars, but it could work... if everything goes as well as I think it can, we could start production in two years!

UFProductions · Post by **UFProductions** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:34 am

Where will the funding come from? Sounds pretty freaking awesome though.

Epsilon · Post by **Epsilon** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 5:42 am

I would fully fund the production. Where I am getting the money from is a different question.

slimdog55 · Post by **slimdog55** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:48 am

Epsilon wrote:I would fully fund the production. Where I am getting the money from is a different question.

I knew it!!! You're gonna rob a bank!!!

bangoker · Post by **bangoker** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 10:39 pm

are you a narc? or gigolo?