No-Budget Pirate Movie

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:45 pm

What kind of blur do you want?

If its antialiasing to get rid of the jaggies, then bryce can do that.

If its another type of blur, let me know what kind and i can probably do it in Photoshop.

Lawriejaffa · Post by **Lawriejaffa** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:51 pm

This is gonna sound nuts but er, In fact Zac please dont kill me lol but by amazing coincidence we too (in scotland) have been planning a similar pirate film - ie a ship sinks and 2 blokes are stranded!!

However we possibly have the deck of the HMS Discovery http://community.iexplore.com/photos/jo ... 140043.jpg (perhaps part of its deck may be useful despite it being a very different kind of ship to those brigs and 17th and 18th century ships (ie 1600s and 1700s)

So Kene if you would be interested in helping us with a bit of 3d that would be cool too!

(I can start a new thread or we could make this one the er pirate epic thread zac and both post up to you mate - though id be happy to help you too if you want to help us too lol)

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:53 pm

go ahead Lawrie, its kinda funny how we both are doing this... kinda creepy actually. This can be the pirate movie thread, ill post updates and whatnot, you can too lawrie..

also, what are you using to shoot this? what are you doing for pirate costumes... you trying to make this a very prof. shoot?

and other ill think of later

Lawriejaffa · Post by **Lawriejaffa** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:09 pm

Well I'll shoot it at 720p on the HVX200, and for costumes (yikes) i'll get some bits and bops together and hope for the best - ive got a few swords and maybe get some of the die cast metal flintlock pistol toy (the 1:1 scale ones.)

I'd intend to make it professional but yeesh it'll be a challenge finding what props/items are available!

Id love to have some colonial soldiers that the 2 survivors are having to hide from!

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:28 pm

Lawriejaffa wrote:Well I'll shoot it at 720p on the HVX200, and for costumes (yikes) i'll get some bits and bops together and hope for the best - ive got a few swords and maybe get some of the die cast metal flintlock pistol toy (the 1:1 scale ones.)

I'd intend to make it professional but yeesh it'll be a challenge finding what props/items are available!

Id love to have some colonial soldiers that the 2 survivors are having to hide from!

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ahhh i wish i had the HVX... im probably going to shoot this on my uncles DVX100b, but hey its still nice...

yeah im getting some die cast metal flintlocks also... i have one, but its broken, so im going to get another... i have one sword, but i'd like at least 4, two identical for each guy, but ill probbaly end up with 2 swords one for each guy

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:17 pm

Ok, i'm back!

So Kene if you would be interested in helping us with a bit of 3d that would be cool too!

If you can find a 3d model of the ship online, I can most likely animate it for you. I'm rather new with 3D, and have more experience with animation and customization, rather than creating from scratch, so there's no way I could make it for you. But other than that, get me the 3D model and I'll do it.

Zac, here ya go!

Each pic is a full quality, max anitaliased picture. Each picture took 30 minutes to create. Bryce creates 3D animation by creating a picture, then moves on to the next frame and makes another pic, so if you want, say, 10 seconds of high-res 30 fps animation, with a sky and sea involved, it will take days. Probably you want it green or blue screened for keying, so that will be easier. Anyways, enjoy! (and let me know what changes you want, and also will ou be filming in 16:9 or 4:3?)

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:40 pm

yeah, i know 3d, it sucks with rendering, when i had my illegal copy of Lightwave, i spent days rendering... but now ive gone legal..

i like the shots... but i mean i don't know it its the model or Bryce... it still give that 3d look to it... try a different lighting setup, it may help... and yeah ill just be taking the composite of the 3d and rendering it into the footage... and the final outcome of the film will be anamorphic widescreen, so you can export in in 16X9 and ill chop off bits as i need it...

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:43 pm

The top two are about as realistic as it gets, but I'll see what I can do...

will it really matter, if you're seeing the ship a mile away sinking from shore?

Probably because Bryce is $100, a starting 3D program, too.

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:46 pm

Ha!

I work with Bryce 6.0.

Version 5.5 is free now, if anyone wants to work with it.

http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.htm ... 5&tag=srch

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:46 pm

yeah, yeah, but its still killer kene... hey do you think you could send me the model files? im not trying to steal from you, im just gonna see if i can get anything better using blender... if so send them to reduxen@gmail.com

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:55 pm

I would but they are over 30MB, and even gmail can't handle files that large.

Do you have a storage site, so I can send them to you that way?

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:56 pm

I'm not sure if you know what I'm talking about, but if you can find some HDRI images at sea, that would improve the realism.

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:57 pm

yeah i wish i had an ftp site, but i don't... you want to try and put them on filefront? thats the easiest way i found

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:01 am

sounds good, you have a site?

email me what i need to know to upload it at Ryan3078@gmail.com

the ship is an obj file, I'll just upload the base first, which is everything but the sails and accessories.

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:07 am

I found some HDRI pics, which I'll use. Basically its a 360 picture of an area that is used to create realistic lighting by using the light from the actual photo.

That should up the realism a bit.

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:23 pm

Here we go. More realistic?

This one took around 2 hours to render

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:01 pm

the second one is really nice... alot better, but another suggestion, which really won't matter for my film, try and dirty up the water a bit, give it a greenish color... foggy

thats cape cod water

Reaaally bad attempts

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:55 pm

wow. that actually looks pretty good.

I can give you some greenscreen pics of the ship if you want to use them for tests.

I'll do some too.

I'll also work on the water, that was just unedited basic water.

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:59 pm

ok, yeah, you thought those pics were good?

heh it too me 30 seconds to do... whatever... yeah you can do some greenscreen, or preferably bluescreen

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:49 am

ok, yeah, you thought those pics were good?

heh it too me 30 seconds to do... whatever... yeah you can do some greenscreen, or preferably bluescreen

considering the fact that it was just put in the pic, it looked realistic enough to pass as real, is what i meant - not the actual combination of pics, the way they looked real enough

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:57 pm

ok, heres some more.

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:55 pm

hey, kene those look awesome...

are you able to work in the bones of the structure and bend them? like maybe having the masts falling down, ropes breaking?

the last image ^^ thatnwould be awesome for the way the ship goes down, a 20 second animation would be aweomse, but for the camera angle, try sea level looking on the starboard side...

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:01 pm

are you able to work in the bones of the structure and bend them? like maybe having the masts falling down, ropes breaking?

maybe but I doubt it would look very real. i have have the individual parts move around, but I cannot really make them change shape or form (as would be necessary for realistic ropes snapping.

Most likely the best I can do at this time is have it slowly sink. lol.

Do you want a full sideways shot for the starboard?

Once you get your clip uploaded I can start work on different ways of sinking.

kene555 · Post by **kene555** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:08 pm

Ok, I posted on Bryce's website as for the ship breaking apart while sinking. If there's a way, I'll find it!

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=882014#882014

Zacatac927 · Post by **Zacatac927** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:50 pm

i am able to bring it into blender now, and i read that you can use blender to break it up... but my problem is when i bring it into blender, there are no texture, and i suck at texturing...

i'm relatively handy with blender