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Slow, jerky video playback

Post by kene555 » Sat May 05, 2007 8:01 pm

Last year, I bought a 200 GB hard drive for video. My computer also has an 80GB main hard drive.

The 200 GB HD is an ultra ATA, with one of those wide connectors to the motherboard.

The 80GB has a much thinner connection cable.

Video on the 200 GB drive always has to buffer many times on my editing program, and even in Movie Maker its jerky.

But video on the 80 GB drive is fine.

i have intergrated graphics and 1 GB RAM.

Is the bad playback because of graphics or because of a slow? connection via hard drive?
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Post by UFProductions » Sun May 06, 2007 2:22 am

How much thinner is the cable for the 80 gig drive? It might be a SATA drive, in which case that one should be your primary drive for editing as it will be much faster.
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Post by Zac » Sun May 06, 2007 11:54 am

i have this same prolem right now (sorta). i just filmed and edited a short clip the other day and its really choppy in adobe premier pro 2.0, this wasnt too worrying cos it usually is like that just playing through the program. but then i spent like and hour exporting it as an avi file and unfortunately its really choppy and slow as an actual movie file. i really want to get it up on here to show you guys but its p*** me off, can you help please anyone?
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Post by kene555 » Sun May 06, 2007 1:55 pm

The 80 GB drive cable is at least 3X thinner than the 200 GB drive.

The computer is a Dell Dimension E310, if that helps.
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Post by Jperson » Tue May 08, 2007 4:37 pm

*Sigh* Complex PCs. So it's an internal drive? Why didn't you get an external drive, they're generally cheaper and I often find more reliable.
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Post by kene555 » Tue May 08, 2007 7:55 pm

Yes, its an internal drive.

The 80 GB was the main drive. I saw no reason to spend more money for an external drive while I had a 200 GB drive that i picked up on sale for $30.

So is the problem speed that makes the video playback slow? Will getting another drive like the 80GB one speed up video?
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Post by Jperson » Wed May 09, 2007 5:27 pm

I'm not sure. You should've really checked on the internet or with someoneabout this, because $30 seems really cheap for an internal drive...
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Post by kene555 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:04 pm

I think that the problem is that the hard drive cannot transfer the files quickly enough to allow the video to play back smoothly.

The ultra ATA tranfer speed is rated up to 133 MB/sec, and the 80 GB is a SATA drive.


Do firewire hard drives transfer the video quickly enough? Or would it be cheaper to get another SATA?
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Post by kene555 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:09 pm

at dell, there is a 250 GB 7200 RPM USB 2.0 external drive for $84, with transfer speeds of up to 480 MB/sec.

or there's a SATA 160GB internal for $200
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Post by tecmeister » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:18 pm

the 80 GB is a sata hdd and the transfer rate is faster and better.
The 200 GB is a ata and it doesn't transfer as fast plus not as good coz it is transferring through a IDE cable.

Talking about your graphics card, some times if the screen is jerky alot than the driver for the graphics card that you have got might not be up to date. So go on to dell or www.nvidia.com (that is if you have a nvidia card) and get the new forceware and it will make your display better.

If you are getting a sata hdd then get the one that i have got 150 GB SATA 10,000 RPM.

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Post by kene555 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:20 pm

I dont know what to get.

I really don't want to spend $200 on a 160 GB hdd.

Would a USb 2.0 or firewire external transfer quickly enough that video could get to the program smoothly?
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Post by tecmeister » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:36 pm

Well external cost more.
In my computer i have:
2x 250 GB SATA 7,200 RPM £50 each = about $95
1x 150 GB SATA 10,000 RPM £160 = about $314
1x 750 GB SATA 7,200 RPM £140 = about $275

So it is your chose.
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Post by kene555 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:38 pm

considering dell.com, bestbuy.com, maybe newegg.com

the computer is a dell e310, and i'm not sure that it has a free connection for another sata drive, however.

thanks for helping, let me know what you find
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Post by tecmeister » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:42 pm

I will do. I will see what i can do. If you dont have another sata port and have a spare pci port then you can get a sata pci card. But anyhoo i will look.

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Post by tecmeister » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:50 pm

I have found a sata hdd for you http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136074
And here is the sata pci card if you need 1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6815124006

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Re: RE: Slow, jerky video playback

Post by Ornsack » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:55 pm

Jperson wrote:*Sigh* Complex PCs. So it's an internal drive? Why didn't you get an external drive, they're generally cheaper and I often find more reliable.
Internal drives, and other internal components are generally cheaper than external ones (you pay extra for the ease of installing ;) )

$30 for an internal hard drive sounds about right. I payed £20 for my internal 80gig hard drive a couple of years back
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Post by kene555 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:14 pm

thanks.

I'll look into that.

And will PCI transfer the video quickly enough?
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Post by kene555 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:45 pm

I talked to my computer-savvy friend about this, and here is what he said:
PCI = 133Mbit/s
USB 2 < 480Mbit/s (depends on devices etc.)
Firewire = 100Mbit/s(standerd XPSP2)
Firewire = 800Mbit/s(w/ FW800 patch)
SATA = 1.5Gbit/s / 3.0Gbit/s

If you get a PCI adapter it is limited to PCI bus speed
as you can see SATA provides the best sltn (WD caviear)
just get a new SATA that is larger than what you have, make a ghost copy of your original and put it on the new one.
So if I purchased a SATA, and had to connect it via PCI, it would be limited to a speed of 133 MB/sec?

Which is the speed of the Ultra ATA drive I have, and that is unacceptable.

What should I do?
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Post by Ornsack » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:11 am

PCI should be fine. I have a Firewire PCI card and I have no problems with it. I think DV runs at 30mbit/s if I remember rightly
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Post by kene555 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:34 am

PCI should be fine. I have a Firewire PCI card and I have no problems with it. I think DV runs at 30mbit/s if I remember rightly
yeah, me too. and when importing, it plays back real time. but the hdd has a transfer speed same as PCI, and it buffers way too much.

Anyone know some good tech forums where I can ensure that a SATA drive and PCI adapter will work smoothly for sure?

Or could I use the PCI-E as a port? Would that work as well?

thanks loads for all your help so far. :D
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Post by kene555 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:27 pm

Well, I have been to many tech forums to try and get this solved, and finally, it has been :D

The basics are that the DVD burner was using the same IDE cable as the drive. The way both were connected was the problem. The DVD drive was the master, while the HDD was the slave. I switched 'em around, and the problem seems to be fixed.

Plus, I found an additional SATA port free on my computer! :D

Here's the forum thread if anyone's interested in how we figured it out!
http://www.maximumpc.com/forums/viewtop ... 156#672156

And thanks for the help here, too.
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