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Blank Firing Guns

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Here's something that doesn't require a computer or anything else. Blank firing guns. All I have ever seen is just pistols. When I turn 18, I'll buy like 10 of these. I never ever seen a blank firing machine gun. I'm thinking you take a real gun and put blank ammo in the clip and shoot away. Has anybody seen a blank firing machine gun?
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I'm no expert but I to fire blanks a gun must be modified. Normal bullets generate lots of back pressure which re-cocks the gun ready to fire the next round. Blanks don't generate enough pressure so you can't fire blanks in a machine gun .... unless its got an attachment on the barrel to increase the pressure. Or something like that :)
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Yeah i think you are right Matt. I do know that a lot of blanks do fire out the wadding involved with the shell etc
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Originally posted by slimdog55
When I turn 18, I'll buy like 10 of these.
Do you realise how expensive they are? Stick with toy guns and Matt's lovely gun designs!
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That is also very true, more expensive and more dangerous to handle!
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Machine gun blanks

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Hey guess what, on the movie the matrix neo fires a blank fireing machine gun on the helocopter.
it's all cool.
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Yeah war/action movies use them alot, especially pre-CGI. But the cost would be great, expensive even to shoot the ammo.
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Tears Of The Sun

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Today I just saw Tears Of The Sun staring Bruce Willis. Its a war movie. I saw many shells coming of machine guns meaning that they use blank firing machine guns. I just wounder how they do it.
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Terminator 2 Judgment Day

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In Terminator 2 Judgment Day, at the end at Cyberdyne Systems when Arnold shoots the GE M134 Mini Gun, you can see shells. And on the DVD you can see the weapons they used and most of them are blank firing guns including the GE M134 Mini Gun. So there is a way of shooting blanks from a machine gun.
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When they were making The Evil Dead they found it cheaper to use real bullets over blanks.
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Post by Grant »

Hell yeah I would do the same if i could. Much more realistic, just a lot more safety concerns:cool:
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Did you read any of the previous posts ?
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Post by -=Falcon=- »

I dont know for sure but i think that blank firing rifles are illegal to sell so you dont see em around much but u can actually get them....
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Depends on the country and laws..Damm terrorists and mass murderers, ruin the fun for all:P
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Post by -=Falcon=- »

hehe i jus use me blank firing deagle :D tis wocked, oops if there illegal now den i didnt say nuffing, but pistols r jus as cool as rifles in my opinion :P
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Pistols represent a more personal and sword like power
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I think the only way to beat a pistol in coolness is with an uzi or scud missile. Simply because both are illegal.
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Post by jinx61 »

I have fired a blank firing machine gun. It was a Army LSW which we use for training exercises. Its a standard weapon with a BFA attachment on it which increases the back pressure allowing the machine gun to work fully.
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Post by foxwood »

Blanks are cool, just expensive and in some places illigal, If guns are I would think blanks are to. A blank is just a shell with pouder and primer, that is criped at the top. So the gun fires away, just noting comes out, exsept brass. But that is still dangerus. Jason Lee died from a misfired blank.

Also any movie with guns that James Camron made, Termenator, Alieans the guns are fireing mass amounts of blanks.
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In any Big-Budget film that uses guns, it is probably firing blanks.
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u can get a blank firing revolver for just 19.99 on http://www.battleorders.co.uk
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Don't you mean Brandon Lee died from a blank fire? Lots of people have. Do not stand infront of a blank firing gun!!!
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Post by TommyPollock »

I love that bit of Terminator. *Memories from that night the other day when they had Termy 2 on after that Termy documentary (in the UK)*

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"Look out, he's got a minigun!"
*minigun noise*plrdrpdlrordlrrrrre

"Ahhhh!"

I liked that. Anyway, back to the subject, just because you see a shell flying out, why does that mean they used a blank firerer? Couldn't they have just animated the shell?
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Post by El Brenty »

I appreciate that y'all are trying to create the best hollywood effects on a no-budget basis, and good on you - Pushes the frontiers forward a bit more for future film-makers, but ("Oh god, here we go again", they are thinking) you can do this old-school, and even use an empty water pistol!

If you dub the sound of a machine gun in, as the actor is firing it, you'll usually fool the audience, without having to have the empty shells flying out of the gun! Try it - you'll see it works! Sound is very important in movies, which is why hollywood goes crazy on dubbing (Car tyre screeches, whooshes, and the like)

Then have a clip on the effect of what the gun is doing (Bullets splattering against a wall - something you can do with squibs, and things (See other posts for that)), then cut back to the actor with the machine gun! Viewers just wouldn't know the difference! After all, most people are not film technicians, and don't really know how guns work - "You put a bullet in, shoot the gun, and the bullet hits something!"

of course, if you can film it using shells, good on you!

Don't swap bullets around in guns! Only use bullets that are specifically created for the gun! I'd go against using blank bullets in a real gun, even if the bullets were specifically intended for the gun! What if one of the bullets got mixed up! Also, there have been instances in Hollywood, when blanks have mis-fired, causing catastrophic catastrophies!

If you have an action scene, the viewer is going to be focused on what's happening at the moment, and not on "Why are there no shells coming out of the gun".
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Post by foxwood »

Some people are, what I would do is when we see the actor fireing, keep the cam higher so we don't see the shells, and also focus on the deistruction. If we must show just a shoot of shells hitting the ground. And throughout all of the these cuts we hear the sound of the gun.
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